[10.13.09]
92 great comments!

Why Politeness May Be Hurting Your Job Search

Every once in a while I get a reminder that my role here is not to repeat the advice of others but to push the boundaries a little bit.  To challenge the status quo.  But I don’t always do that.  Sometimes I get sucked in to writing posts that are a bit too traditional.

I hope today’s post gets you thinking a bit . . .

Because an interesting cultural phenomena continues in the job search and career market.  We are excruciatingly polite and I’m concerned that this may turn into an issue for some of you.

And it is all our mom’s fault.  Yes, yours too.

So without delay, I’ll just say it.  If you are job seeker, stop being so polite to everyone.

First of all, stop calling me Mr.

I see it all the time in cover letters and e-mail introductions.

  • Dear Mr. or Ms.

So do you even know the age of the person you are e-mailing?  And should it even matter?  In a recent e-mail I noticed that a person was “caught” using “Mr.” when writing for the first time to someone.  He thought it was appropriate to do so.  Turns out the guy he was writing to was 3 years younger than him.  Yes, you are using Mr. in a note to a person that was a freshman when you were graduating from high school. The person you had to direct to their first period on day one of school.

Think about it.

The big issue here is that as soon as you use Mr. or Ms. you put yourself in a social position just below the receiver.  By definition.  As a job seeker, consider that you are not in a different class.  Age does not matter.  In truth, you are a business person offering your skills and experience to a company in need.  They are looking for a solution to a problem.  And you may be the solution.  So why not just say “Dear Mike” or “Dear Sarah”?  Get on even footing from the start and do it with confidence.

And if the hiring manager is a young, social media maven (in work or on the side) you will damage your standing from the start with a “Mr.” introduction.

And stop using generic formalities

  • Dear Sir or Madam

Madam?  Really?  This is all part of this beautiful collision between the extreme casual tone displayed in social media and our dwindling but still present sense of manners at all costs from our parents era.  And the collision will either be one you avoid or one where you end up being dragged in the mud on Facebook.

So this is wrong in two ways.  First, no one uses Sir or Madam any more except in job search.  Stop using those words.  You might as well be using a pen with a very large feather and writing on parchment paper.  But, more important, why are you sending a cover letter to “Sir or Madam” when you could just go into Linkedin and get a name?  This solves the Sir or Madam issue in a very clean way.  Promise to never send another one of these letters with your resume. Do you promise?

And if you are a hiring manager, please don’t expect a formal introduction to a cover letter.  Be open to me calling you “Rob” if that’s your name.  Even if we’ve never met and even if I’m ten years younger than you.  It’s not an insult.  It’s your name.

Job seekers need to take back the high road in communications.  And today is the day.

Have I convinced you?


Written by: Tim Tyrell-Smith
Tags: | | | | | |
Categories: Cover Letters And Resumes
what where
job title, keywords or company
city, state or zip jobs by job search
  • http://profile.typepad.com/1220292248s14607 Tim Tyrell-Smith

    Hi Jim – I would use every possible method to get a name. If you can’t find someone in HR, find someone in the department in which you want to work. Many companies have reward programs for finding new employees. Then you can say: “Dear Mike: Would you mind dropping this off to your HR department?” For me, this is better than “Dear prospective employer” . . .

  • http://profile.typepad.com/1220292248s14607 Tim Tyrell-Smith

    Hi Jim – I would use every possible method to get a name. If you can’t find someone in HR, find someone in the department in which you want to work. Many companies have reward programs for finding new employees. Then you can say: “Dear Mike: Would you mind dropping this off to your HR department?” For me, this is better than “Dear prospective employer” . . .

  • http://profile.typepad.com/6p011571a8321b970b steve

    Great stuff, Tim. Any rep trying to get a job in medical sales needs to convey ultimate confidence. You can also learn more about this topic at http://www.gorillamedicalsales.com/blog

  • http://profile.typepad.com/6p011571a8321b970b steve

    Great stuff, Tim. Any rep trying to get a job in medical sales needs to convey ultimate confidence. You can also learn more about this topic at http://www.gorillamedicalsales.com/blog

  • http://profile.typepad.com/1220292248s14607 Tim Tyrell-Smith

    Hey Steve – Absolutely agree re: the need for a strong head in a sales interview. Thanks for adding the link (I removed an unnecessary “;” from the url – should work correctly now . . .

  • http://profile.typepad.com/1220292248s14607 Tim Tyrell-Smith

    Hey Steve – Absolutely agree re: the need for a strong head in a sales interview. Thanks for adding the link (I removed an unnecessary “;” from the url – should work correctly now . . .

  • Joe Riznar

    I’m glad Frank mentioned “Hello” as a greeting. He didn’t find it appropriate, but I think it’s a good option for a blind posting. Remember – For decades we have been answering the telephone with “Hello” when we don’t know who is calling. Also, I might be showing my age by saying that I would find it a positive thing to be addressed “Mister”, although it’s not necessary. A young child addressing me by my first name would sound strange to me, but I am very comfortable conversing with people of most ages or from very different social or occupational groups without formalities. I agree that Sir and/or Madam are pretty antique-sounding.
    Mister Joe

  • Joe Riznar

    I’m glad Frank mentioned “Hello” as a greeting. He didn’t find it appropriate, but I think it’s a good option for a blind posting. Remember – For decades we have been answering the telephone with “Hello” when we don’t know who is calling. Also, I might be showing my age by saying that I would find it a positive thing to be addressed “Mister”, although it’s not necessary. A young child addressing me by my first name would sound strange to me, but I am very comfortable conversing with people of most ages or from very different social or occupational groups without formalities. I agree that Sir and/or Madam are pretty antique-sounding.
    Mister Joe

  • http://profile.typepad.com/1220292248s14607 Tim Tyrell-Smith

    Mister Joe – Thanks for adding your thoughts. This is new ground in some ways as we head into a culture driven, in part, by Gen Y who grew up in a very informal way. It will be interesting! I like it!

  • http://profile.typepad.com/1220292248s14607 Tim Tyrell-Smith

    Mister Joe – Thanks for adding your thoughts. This is new ground in some ways as we head into a culture driven, in part, by Gen Y who grew up in a very informal way. It will be interesting! I like it!

  • Victoria Kayser

    Tim,
    This is great wisdom. We have all been job seekers at one point or another and I would rather have someone call me by my first name. It catches my attention. Thank you for de-fanging this monster of how to address a hiring manager.
    Victoria

  • Victoria Kayser

    Tim,
    This is great wisdom. We have all been job seekers at one point or another and I would rather have someone call me by my first name. It catches my attention. Thank you for de-fanging this monster of how to address a hiring manager.
    Victoria

  • http://www.accountingjobslongbeach.com Accounting Jobs Long Beach

    I agree you walk a very fine line between being too polite and just being on the same level as the hiring manager. Look just because you are unemployed doesn’t mean you need to be calling everyone Mr. or Mrs. You need to stay confident, be assertive but not demanding. Employers hire people they like.

  • http://www.accountingjobslongbeach.com Accounting Jobs Long Beach

    I agree you walk a very fine line between being too polite and just being on the same level as the hiring manager. Look just because you are unemployed doesn’t mean you need to be calling everyone Mr. or Mrs. You need to stay confident, be assertive but not demanding. Employers hire people they like.

  • http://profile.typepad.com/1220292248s14607 Tim Tyrell-Smith

    @Victoria – Well, not everyone has agreed. But thank you. It makes total sense to me!
    @Accounting JLB – That is my exact point. Being in transition doesn’t mean you are any less of a smart business person. They hire people they like and RESPECT.

  • http://profile.typepad.com/1220292248s14607 Tim Tyrell-Smith

    @Victoria – Well, not everyone has agreed. But thank you. It makes total sense to me!
    @Accounting JLB – That is my exact point. Being in transition doesn’t mean you are any less of a smart business person. They hire people they like and RESPECT.

  • Bryan

    Being a rather young guy I was always under the impression that you were supposed to use the last name with a Mr. or Ms. in front of it. Then include your first and last name at the end.
    If they respond to you using your first name then you’re in the clear and can go on responding using their first name from then on.
    I have to say I’m still a little uneasy at the potential reception “Dear John” or “Dear Jane” might get. Wouldn’t it be better to use their full name? Especially since you have no idea if they go by Johny or Jannie or by their middle name as many people I know do.

  • Bryan

    Being a rather young guy I was always under the impression that you were supposed to use the last name with a Mr. or Ms. in front of it. Then include your first and last name at the end.
    If they respond to you using your first name then you’re in the clear and can go on responding using their first name from then on.
    I have to say I’m still a little uneasy at the potential reception “Dear John” or “Dear Jane” might get. Wouldn’t it be better to use their full name? Especially since you have no idea if they go by Johny or Jannie or by their middle name as many people I know do.

  • http://beyondthebuzz.wordpress.com Andrea Ong Pietkiewicz

    Haha, great point about not using the words “Sir” or “Madam”, although I have to say I was _stunned_ recently at a voice mail I received from a government type checking up on my job search: he identified himself(!) as Mr Blah-blah. The funny part is that I couldn’t work out what his name actually was, no matter how many time I re-played the voice mail.
    On a more earnest note, I would think that part of the objective of the process is to identify a cultural match between the parties. In this day and age in North America, it’s unusual to address someone with a Mr/Mrs/etc (Asia, on the other hand, is a different story). Two parties who can’t agree to what constitutes a collegial first meeting probably won’t find a mutually satisfactory relationship.

  • http://beyondthebuzz.wordpress.com Andrea Ong Pietkiewicz

    Haha, great point about not using the words “Sir” or “Madam”, although I have to say I was _stunned_ recently at a voice mail I received from a government type checking up on my job search: he identified himself(!) as Mr Blah-blah. The funny part is that I couldn’t work out what his name actually was, no matter how many time I re-played the voice mail.
    On a more earnest note, I would think that part of the objective of the process is to identify a cultural match between the parties. In this day and age in North America, it’s unusual to address someone with a Mr/Mrs/etc (Asia, on the other hand, is a different story). Two parties who can’t agree to what constitutes a collegial first meeting probably won’t find a mutually satisfactory relationship.

  • http://profile.typepad.com/1220292248s14607 Tim Tyrell-Smith

    @Brian – Thanks for your comment and I appreciate your situation. If you have an extreme age difference, it might make sense to adjust this advice (as in the case of some international companies). Your example of when to begin using a first name is fine and is certainly the safe route. If you use the name they use on Linkedin, I don’t think you can go wrong! They provided it as a way they would like to be viewed/addressed in public. If they are really Bill (not William) then I don’t think that’s a big deal. My trick? Read the recommendations people write about them. If all these people who worked with him call him Bill . . . can’t you?
    @Andrea – Yes, sometimes voice mail gets really garbled or people speak so fast that you have to replay the message three times! Good point about finding a cultural bridge that allows a less formal or more appropriate greeting.

  • http://profile.typepad.com/1220292248s14607 Tim Tyrell-Smith

    @Brian – Thanks for your comment and I appreciate your situation. If you have an extreme age difference, it might make sense to adjust this advice (as in the case of some international companies). Your example of when to begin using a first name is fine and is certainly the safe route. If you use the name they use on Linkedin, I don’t think you can go wrong! They provided it as a way they would like to be viewed/addressed in public. If they are really Bill (not William) then I don’t think that’s a big deal. My trick? Read the recommendations people write about them. If all these people who worked with him call him Bill . . . can’t you?
    @Andrea – Yes, sometimes voice mail gets really garbled or people speak so fast that you have to replay the message three times! Good point about finding a cultural bridge that allows a less formal or more appropriate greeting.

  • Steve Horowitz

    Tim,

    I understand when you said NOT to use Dear Sir or Madam. I get it! But what if I’ve attempted to search for the person’s name on Linkedin.com or elsewhere, but was unable to come up with an individual’s name. How would you suggest someone address their cover letter in this situation? I’m also thinking that I would hate to address a cover letter to a specific individual and it be the wrong person’s name.

    Thanks,

    Steve Horowitz

    • http://timsstrategy.com/ TimsStrategy

      Hey Steve – I hear you. We never want to make a mistake. But I will always work really hard to get a name before I leave it generic. You see, I’d like my letter to land on someone’s desk, not in a big pile somewhere in HR. So if you can’t find out via LinkedIn or your local network, you need to call the company direct and ask them who is the hiring manager. If they won’t tell you, ask for a name in HR who you can target. At least your letter will be personalized to someone! Even if, in the end, the receiver is no the right person, most people will pass your resume along – assuming your cover letter includes the job#/department of the job you are applying for . . .

  • Mark Cianciosa

    Tim, I do think that the politeness goes a step further! I had stopped saying Mr. and Ms. a while back. What I have got caught up in a few times is the “fear” of being too aggressive. Seriously, I am an Executive, Seasoned Sales Pro with a Great Track Record. And in my own job search I have had people tell me, “don’t be too aggressive because it makes you look like you need the job.” So almost everyday, especially today, I struggle with this issue. Today I am reminding myself that this is a competition and I want to win! Thank you for all your help and direction.

    • http://timsstrategy.com/ TimsStrategy

      Hey Mark – It clearly is a competition. And looking at it that way is helpful for many people. After all, most of us don’t get to compete in life much anymore. Unless you are on the bowling team, of course. To me, there is a pretty wide line between aggressive and desperate. The word I suggest is purposeful. Combine it with confidence and you have what most hiring managers want: a desire for the job, a belief in yourself and the right skills and experience.

  • Pingback: Tim Tyrell-Smith

  • Pingback: Joy Abdullah

  • Pingback: Erica Eastman

  • mayg_

    As weird as it feels to be addressed as Ms. So-and-So, if I received a cover letter addressed to me by my first name, I would think that it’s pretty uppity, forward, and arrogant – unless the applicant already knows me. I have no problem calling someone younger than I “Mr.” or “Ms.” That’s just reverse ageism.

    • http://timsstrategy.com/ TimsStrategy

      Hi mayg_ – thanks for sharing your viewpoint on this issue. I respect your opinion. But I think it is a very old way of thinking. Nothing to do with age on either side of the table. We’re all in this world together and unless a strong cultural norm dictates otherwise, I don’t call anyone “Mr”.

  • Matthew Forrest

     Great blog post. I couldn’t agree more. In today’s economy especially you need to really set yourself apart; you need to be different. I really feel that this is some great advice that many can and will benefit from.

    Matthew Forrest
    Social Media Marketing Intern
    YouTern

    • http://timsstrategy.com/ TimsStrategy

      Hey Matthew and thanks for chiming in.  Even more important than setting yourself apart is to be confident and to see yourself as a relative equal with those you are meeting/interviewing.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=585098751 Matthew T. Forrest

        I think that being confident will help set yourself apart!

  • Matthew Forrest

     Great blog post. I couldn’t agree more. In today’s economy especially you need to really set yourself apart; you need to be different. I really feel that this is some great advice that many can and will benefit from.

    Matthew Forrest
    Social Media Marketing Intern
    YouTern

  • Pingback: Tim Tyrell-Smith

  • Pingback: Kevin - Resume Prof

  • Pingback: HireSafe

  • Pingback: Matthew T. Forrest

  • Pingback: Tim Tyrell-Smith

  • Pingback: Wade Shepard

  • Pingback: The Job Guy


2008 - 2011 © Tim's Strategy | Privacy Policy